Reddit AI Agent - 2026-04-11¶
1. What People Are Talking About¶
1.1 AI Automation Agency Economics and Pricing (🡕)¶
The dominant conversation across r/AI_Agents and r/AiAutomations centers on how to price, sell, and sustain AI automation services. Multiple independent practitioners converged on the same conclusion: hourly billing is a trap, and outcome-based pricing attracts better clients.
u/Warm-Reaction-456 charged $65/hr for nine months before realizing cheap clients consumed 80% of bandwidth while flat-fee clients produced better work. One client literally asked to stop using Cursor "because it makes you faster so I'm getting less for my money." After switching to flat-fee packages ($2,500 minimum, $10k for production builds, $3k retainers), three clients ghosted but the remaining two paid more than the nine lost (Why I stopped charging hourly for automation work and started losing the cheap clients on purpose).
u/stevekotev independently arrived at the same framework: quantify the client's cost of the problem, then price the solution at 20-30% of that value. One-time builds land at $1,500-5,000; ongoing management at $500-2,000/month. "The $500 client will micromanage you and question everything. The $3,000 client trusts you and lets you do your job" (how to price AI automation services without underselling yourself or scaring clients away).
u/Expert-Sink2302 profiled an agency owner who cleared $20K in six months. The turning point was switching from "I'll build you a lead follow-up system for $3,000" to "I'll make sure no lead ever goes cold, for $800 a month." Recurring revenue went from $0 to $4,200/month in six weeks. The post also introduced the concept of "shadow sessions" — spending half a day watching a client work instead of using discovery calls — and treating adoption as its own deliverable rather than an afterthought (Chatting with an AI agency owner who has already cleared $20K+ in 6 months).
u/Admirable-Station223 posted a reality check: months 1-2 typically produce zero revenue, the first client arrives around month 3 for $1,000-2,000, and real revenue begins at months 4-6. Several commenters were skeptical. u/Particular-Sea2005 asked "what is actually selling for real" and noted that most offerings "look like rookie MVP from people with little experience in creating software" (making money with AI is real but it's nothing like what the youtube videos show you).
Discussion insight: The thread between u/Admirable-Station223 and skeptics reveals a tension between "the money is in boring single-step AI tasks" and commenters who doubt the sustainability of any current AI agent business. u/ContextLengthMatters argued the industry is in "a transitory period where people are just exploring" and "no one has any idea where the reliable longer term cash flows are going to come from."
Comparison to prior day: Agency pricing was also active on 2026-04-10, with the same u/Warm-Reaction-456 post appearing and similar discussions around automation agency growth. The trend is clearly building.
1.2 Agent Memory and Persistent State (🡕)¶
Memory management dominated the technical conversation with at least five posts exploring different approaches to giving agents durable recall.
u/Cold-Cranberry4280 shared a detailed technical breakdown after running an always-on agent for ten months. The core insight: splitting memory into two independent retrieval paths — conversation history loaded chronologically for thread continuity, and extracted knowledge retrieved by semantic relevance regardless of when it was recorded. This split alone was "the single biggest quality jump" they made. Additional optimizations included a lightweight pre-filter that reduced LLM calls for memory processing by 80%, topic-based retrieval at under $0.0001 per call, and a decay system that distinguishes permanent facts (phone numbers, anniversaries) from ephemeral data (old flight numbers). For contradictions ("I live in New York" then later "I moved to London"), old memories are marked as superseded rather than deleted, preserving audit trails (How I split agent memory into two separate retrieval paths).
u/GabrielMartinMoran released Mind, a persistent memory system and session manager that works across Claude Code, OpenCode, Cursor, Gemini CLI, Windsurf, Codex, VSCode, and Antigravity. It provides structured MCP tools for complex queries, a checkpointing system for state snapshots, and a visual neural map for inspecting what agents remember (Giving AI Agents long-term persistence across multiple platforms: Introducing Mind).
In the "What are you guys building?" thread, u/ultrathink-art described building a two-tier storage system — hot markdown files for recent context and SQLite with semantic embeddings for long-term recall — and emphasized that "the dedup step matters more than the storage itself" because without cosine similarity filtering "agents store near-identical entries and the retrieval quality collapses" (What are you guys building?).
Discussion insight: Multiple builders independently converged on the same architecture: a fast short-term layer plus a semantic long-term store, with aggressive deduplication. The convergence suggests this is becoming an established pattern rather than experimental.
1.3 Agent Security and Trust Boundaries (🡒)¶
Three distinct security concerns surfaced: tool-call payload inspection, managed-agent opacity, and MCP access control.
u/Healthy_Owl_7132 demonstrated that a CrewAI agent reading a Jira ticket posted a full customer record — SSN, credit card, email — to Slack. The agent followed instructions perfectly; it simply did not know what was sensitive. A follow-up adversarial test showed an agent could steal credentials from Drive, escalate AWS IAM privileges, and exfiltrate to an external domain with zero inspection between the agent and the API. The fix was an inline gateway that scans every payload for PII and secrets, with the ability to strip sensitive data and forward clean versions rather than hard-blocking (Your agents have write access to production APIs. What's checking the payloads?).
u/WhichCardiologist800 raised what they called the "cat guarding the milk" problem with Anthropic's managed agents: the model and its security layer are bundled in the same black box, with no independent verification of tool calls in flight. The post referenced NVIDIA OpenShell and Node9 as potential independent security layers (Are we really okay with "Black Box" security for Managed Agents - Anthropic?).
u/ismaelkaissy built MCP Harbour, an open-source proxy that sits between agents and MCP servers to enforce per-agent security policies. It supports glob patterns and regex for filtering which tools and argument values each agent can use. Built as an implementation of the GPARS spec (MCP Harbour -- an open-source port authority for your MCP servers).
Discussion insight: u/prowesolution123 noted that "everyone fixates on prompt injection, but the tool boundary is where the real blast radius is right now." u/Deep_Ad1959 drew a parallel to E2E testing: "you wouldn't ship a web app without running it through a browser and asserting on the output."
1.4 The Demo-to-Production Gap (🡒)¶
Several posts explored why agents that work in demos fail in production, with practitioners sharing specific failure modes.
u/EveningWhile6688 asked where agents are actually breaking in production and received detailed responses. u/Icy_Host_1975 identified the root cause as "state and control-plane drift: auth expires, tools return partial success, background jobs outlive the user context, and the agent loses track of what already happened. Demos hide this because they run in short clean loops." u/RegularOk1820 estimated that "unexpected user behavior is like 80% of it" (Where are your agents actually breaking in production?).
u/Admirable-Station223 argued that "90% of AI agents being built right now will never make a dollar" because builders chase flashy multi-agent demos while the money is in "boring single-step AI tasks" like reading company websites, sorting email replies, and pulling intent signals from job postings. "The agents that make money are the ones that solve one specific problem for one specific type of business" (90% of AI agents being built right now will never make a dollar).
Comparison to prior day: On 2026-04-10, u/LumaCoree posted "We went from 3 agents to 40 in four months. Nobody knows what half of them do anymore" (score 91), indicating agent sprawl is a growing concern. The demo-to-production gap theme has been steady for multiple days.
1.5 Agent Orchestration and Inter-Agent Communication (🡕)¶
Multiple builders shared new approaches to coordinating multiple agents.
u/Negative-Border1439 built the Agent Mailer Protocol (AMP), enabling agents to communicate through email-style async messaging: inbox, send, reply, forward, thread. Built with Python/FastAPI, supporting SQLite for development and PostgreSQL for production. They report 17 agents running across 5 teams processing thousands of messages daily. The PM agent receives tasks, breaks them down, and delegates to a coder, who sends to a reviewer, who forwards to DevOps for deployment — all autonomously (We built a mail protocol for AI agents -- and it actually works).
u/i_serghei released Sortie, a single Go binary that watches issue trackers, spins up coding agent sessions, feeds CI failures back into the agent loop, and persists everything in SQLite. It is vendor-agnostic — swap Claude for Copilot, GitHub Issues for Jira — and open source under Apache 2.0 (I'm building an orchestrator for coding agents).
u/Unique_Champion4327 shipped TigrimOS v1.2.1, a self-hosted workspace that can analyze a task and automatically generate an agent topology, with reusable swarm templates for hierarchical delegation, peer coordination, and pipeline workflows. The release added YAML-based agent configuration and structured per-agent logs with reasoning traces (Built a self-hosted AI workspace with multi-agent orchestration).
1.6 MCP Server Management and Token Efficiency (🡒)¶
u/geekeek123 discovered that bundling MCP servers inside skill directories instead of loading them globally reduces token overhead from approximately 44,000 tokens of schema per message to approximately 780. The SKILL.md frontmatter spec (agentskills.io) works across Claude Code, Cursor, VS Code, Goose, and Codex. In a security review test, the skill-scoped approach caught the same 6 issues as globally-loaded MCP but at 144x lower token cost per run (Is anyone else bundling MCP servers inside skills instead of loading them globally?).
This pairs with the MCP Harbour project (section 1.3) as part of a broader movement toward more controlled, efficient MCP server usage.
1.7 The Future of Software Products (🡒)¶
u/gravitonexplore posted twice exploring whether traditional software products retain defensibility as AI enables custom automation for each user. The central scenario: an agent watches how you work for a week, builds custom workflows around your patterns, and charges per-usage credits. If automation becomes custom and on-demand, "what defensibility is left for existing products?" The discussion identified distribution, trust, integrations, proprietary data, compliance, and lock-in as remaining moats (what is the moat of software if ai starts building custom products for everyone?).
2. What Frustrates People¶
Skill Gap Between Selling and Delivering Automation¶
High severity. u/Novel-Marionberry661 got hired as an executive assistant with AI automation emphasis after claiming familiarity with Claude Code and n8n in the interview — then realized the gap between those claims and delivery capability. "My dumbass thought it means Knowing how to use ChatGPT more efficiently." With 66 comments (highest in the dataset), the community rallied with practical advice, but the situation illustrates a widespread gap. Similarly, u/ahmedhashimpk asked for a "complete roadmap to become an expert AI agent developer" because "there are thousands of youtube videos and sometimes it makes me confuse to which one is indeed the one to follow" (I got hired to Automate workflows for the business and I don't know what to do).
Demo-Quality Agents Failing in Production¶
High severity. Practitioners consistently report that agents that work in controlled evaluations break when real users interact with them. u/Icy_Host_1975 identified the root cause: "state and control-plane drift: auth expires, tools return partial success, background jobs outlive the user context." u/AurumDaemonHD was blunter: "If your agent is not aware of itself, doesn't evolve over time, doesn't finetune/lora on the hitiled data... you will need an engineering department to babysit this app forever." The workaround is manual monitoring and continuous iteration, which undermines the promise of automation.
Silent Failures in Deployed Automations¶
Medium severity. u/Expert-Sink2302 described a lead routing system that sent leads to the wrong people for 19 days before anyone noticed, after CRM data got messy. "It ran like that for 19 days before anyone caught it. By that point the client had lost a meaningful chunk of opportunities." The fix: basic alerts in Slack or email for output anomalies, plus a designated owner for every workflow.
Agent Framework Setup Complexity¶
Medium severity. u/Hereemideem1a found that "most demos look smooth, but in real use I find myself dealing with configs, APIs, and fixing workflows more than actually getting results." With 41 comments, the thread reveals broad frustration with the gap between agent framework marketing and real-world usability. The workaround is falling back to simpler tools: u/HumzaDeKhan advised starting with Claude or Codex directly rather than OpenClaw or Hermes.
Models Answering from Memory Despite Having Search Tools¶
Low severity. u/JayPatel24_ identified a subtle failure mode: models with search tools still answer from memory on queries where freshness matters implicitly. "You do not get a crash. You do not get a tool error. You just get a stale answer delivered with confidence." The proposed fix is supervised trigger examples that teach the model when retrieval applies and why.
3. What People Wish Existed¶
Structured AI Agent Learning Path¶
Multiple people expressed frustration with the fragmented educational landscape. u/ahmedhashimpk specifically noted wanting "human insights" over AI-generated roadmaps. u/Novel-Marionberry661 needed to learn n8n and Claude Code under a 90-day deadline. u/DetectiveMindless652 attempted to fill this gap with a 24-module guide covering agents from basics through production deployment. The need is practical rather than aspirational — people are getting hired for agent work and need to deliver. Opportunity: direct.
Reliable Agent Evaluation Frameworks¶
u/sie7kf asked if "anyone else struggled setting up evals for ai agents" and u/sipsgn described being "stuck in Excel Hell trying to get domain experts to evaluate agent outputs." The gap is not in evaluation theory but in practical tooling that non-technical domain experts can use. Opportunity: direct.
Independent Agent Security Layer¶
Three posts converged on needing a security layer that is separate from both the agent and the model provider. u/Healthy_Owl_7132 built an inline gateway for payload inspection, u/WhichCardiologist800 called for independent tool-call verification, and u/ismaelkaissy built MCP Harbour for per-agent policy enforcement. The need is urgent — one practitioner demonstrated full credential exfiltration with no guardrails. Partially addressed by these early tools but none has broad adoption yet. Opportunity: direct.
Simpler Agent Frameworks for Non-Experts¶
The 41-comment thread on OpenClaw alternatives signals strong demand for agent frameworks that prioritize execution reliability over configuration flexibility. u/Hereemideem1a wants results with less setup; commenters recommended Ductor, Claude directly, and ai-flow.eu as lighter alternatives. Opportunity: competitive.
4. Tools and Methods in Use¶
| Tool | Category | Sentiment | Strengths | Limitations |
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| n8n | Workflow automation | (+) | Visual workflow builder, good for non-coders, connects to most APIs | Requires learning curve, manual node building |
| Claude Code | Coding agent | (+) | Powerful coding assistance, OAuth-based, strong reasoning | Needs orchestration layer for production use |
| OpenClaw | Agent framework | (+/-) | Flexible, powerful for complex agents | Heavy setup, configs and APIs more than results in real use |
| Hermes | Agent framework | (+) | Good for coding, personal assistance, marketing tasks | Less discussed than OpenClaw, fewer community reports |
| Ductor | Agent CLI wrapper | (+) | Wraps Claude Code/Codex/Gemini CLI via Telegram/Matrix, uses official CLIs | New, limited adoption data |
| CrewAI | Agent framework | (+/-) | Multi-agent orchestration | No built-in payload inspection, agents can leak sensitive data |
| LangGraph | Agent framework | (+/-) | Production-grade, good for complex flows | Heavier than pure Python for simple use cases |
| Pydantic | Validation/framework | (+) | Fast API projects, type safety | Less agent-specific than LangGraph |
| Gamma API | Presentation generation | (+) | Integrates with Zapier for auto-generating pitch decks | Quality varies between slideshow generations |
| Pangea | Security/vaulting | (+/-) | Vaults and scrubs sensitive data | Scrubbing sometimes too aggressive, breaks output |
| MCP Harbour | MCP security proxy | (+) | Per-agent security policies, glob/regex filtering | v0.1, early stage |
| OpenUI Lang | UI generation language | (+) | 67% more token-efficient than JSON, streaming-first | New, limited adoption |
The overall technology landscape shows a clear split. For agent logic, practitioners choose between full frameworks (OpenClaw, Hermes, CrewAI, LangGraph) and simpler approaches (Claude/Codex directly, n8n for no-code). A migration pattern is visible: several practitioners started with complex frameworks and moved toward simpler, single-purpose tools. The security tooling layer (Pangea, MCP Harbour, inline gateways) is embryonic but growing in response to real production incidents.
5. What People Are Building¶
| Project | Who built it | What it does | Problem it solves | Stack | Stage | Links |
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| Agent Mailer Protocol (AMP) | u/Negative-Border1439 | Email-style async messaging between AI agents | Complex DAG/RPC agent communication | Python, FastAPI, PostgreSQL/SQLite | Shipped | GitHub |
| Sortie | u/i_serghei | Orchestrator that watches issue trackers, manages coding agent sessions, feeds CI failures back | Babysitting terminal agent sessions manually | Go, SQLite | Beta | brew install sortie-ai/tap/sortie |
| TigrimOS | u/Unique_Champion4327 | Self-hosted AI workspace with auto-generated agent topologies | Multi-agent orchestration complexity, debugging opacity | Python, YAML config, sandboxed Ubuntu | Beta | v1.2.1 |
| Mind | u/GabrielMartinMoran | Persistent memory system and session manager for agents | Agent amnesia across sessions and platforms | MCP, multi-IDE support | Beta | Link in comments |
| MCP Harbour | u/ismaelkaissy | Security proxy between agents and MCP servers | Uncontrolled MCP server access per agent | GPARS spec implementation | Alpha | Link in comments |
| Engram | u/Mobile_Discount6363 | Semantic interoperability layer for agent tool connections | Brittle integrations, schema drift, protocol fragmentation | Python, OWL + ML, MCP/CLI/A2A/ACP | Beta | GitHub |
| OpenUI Lang | u/Mr_BETADINE | Line-oriented language for LLM UI generation | JSON verbosity and streaming latency for UI generation | Custom parser | Shipped | Video demo |
| Tool-call security gateway | u/Healthy_Owl_7132 | Inline gateway scanning agent payloads for PII/secrets/threats | Agents leaking sensitive data through API calls | CrewAI, inline proxy | Alpha | Demo available |
| Ductor | u/BadRegEx (mentioned) | Wraps Claude Code/Codex/Gemini CLIs for Telegram/Matrix | Accessing coding agents remotely | Python 3.11+ | Shipped | GitHub |
| Clawhub | u/ananandreas | Platform where agents share experience and learnings | Agents re-solving already-solved problems | Web platform | Shipped | clawhub.ai |
Agent Mailer Protocol stands out for its conceptual simplicity: rather than building another DAG engine or message queue, it maps agent communication to a familiar email metaphor. The team reports it running in production with 17 agents across 5 teams. The question is whether the email metaphor scales beyond small teams or if structured workflow engines are needed at enterprise scale.
Sortie fills a specific gap for developers using coding agents: it automates the loop of issue assignment, agent session management, and CI feedback without requiring a specific LLM vendor or issue tracker. The single Go binary approach keeps deployment simple.
A recurring pattern is builders scratching their own itch. u/Cold-Cranberry4280 built a split-retrieval memory system after struggling for weeks; u/Healthy_Owl_7132 built a payload scanner after watching an agent leak PII. The projects that gain traction solve problems the builder personally experienced in production rather than problems imagined from reading about agents.
6. New and Notable¶
George Hotz vs. Anthropic Zero-Day Claims¶
The highest-scoring post (score 1080, 144 comments) was a screenshot of George Hotz criticizing Anthropic's claims about AI agents finding zero-day vulnerabilities. The top comment by u/Hsoj707 (score 92) called it "a fear marketing campaign and seems to be working as intended." u/stealstea pushed back, noting that zero-day discovery has a "very lucrative legal market" and an "equally lucrative illegal market," making the activity genuinely incentivized regardless of vendor framing. u/batman_not_robin observed that "every response in this thread is the same few thoughts but worded differently. Am I the only human reading this?" — itself a signal about discussion quality in agent-focused subreddits (Hotz cooked Anthropic).
Anthropic Managed Agents Draw Skepticism¶
While Anthropic's managed agents announcement generated excitement on 2026-04-10 (score 22), by 2026-04-11 the conversation shifted to security concerns. u/WhichCardiologist800 raised the "cat guarding the milk" problem, and u/Rough-Leather-6820 noted that "Lois has concerns" about the offering. The community is not opposed to managed agents but is asking pointed questions about independent verification and security audit capabilities.
SKILL.md Spec Gaining Cross-IDE Traction¶
u/geekeek123 reported that the SKILL.md frontmatter spec (agentskills.io) now works across Claude Code, Cursor, VS Code, Goose, and Codex. The practical result — 144x reduction in token cost by scoping MCP servers to skill invocations — suggests this could become a de facto standard for agent capability packaging.
7. Where the Opportunities Are¶
[+++] Agent security middleware — Three independent posts identified the tool-call layer as the primary attack surface, ahead of prompt injection. u/Healthy_Owl_7132 demonstrated full credential exfiltration with no guardrails. u/ismaelkaissy built MCP Harbour, and u/WhichCardiologist800 called for independent verification of managed agents. The demand is strong, the existing solutions are alpha-stage, and the consequences of doing nothing are severe (PII leaks, privilege escalation). Any team that ships a production-grade inline security layer for agent tool calls addresses a need practitioners are already building ad hoc solutions for.
[+++] Structured AI automation education — The 66-comment thread from someone hired for automation work they cannot yet deliver, combined with roadmap requests and confusion about which resources to trust, signals a large underserved audience. u/DetectiveMindless652 assembled a 24-module guide, but there is no definitive, maintained curriculum. Demand is practical and urgent — people are making career moves based on AI automation skills they do not yet have.
[++] Agent memory as a service — At least five posts addressed memory persistence, and builders independently converged on similar architectures (dual-path retrieval, semantic dedup, topic-based filtering). Mind supports eight IDEs, but the space is fragmented. A standardized, cross-platform memory layer that handles dedup, decay, and contradiction resolution would find immediate users among the builders already building their own.
[++] Simplified agent deployment for non-experts — The 41-comment OpenClaw alternatives thread and frustration with framework complexity suggest an opening for tools that trade configurability for reliability. Ductor's approach (wrapping official CLIs with no API proxying) is one model. The audience is practitioners who want results, not infrastructure engineers who enjoy configuration.
[+] Agent evaluation tooling for domain experts — Multiple practitioners mentioned struggling with evals, and one described "Excel Hell" for domain expert evaluations. The gap is between ML-engineer-grade evaluation frameworks and what a business domain expert can actually use. Early signal, but consistently mentioned.
[+] Silent failure detection for deployed automations — u/Expert-Sink2302 described a 19-day silent failure that cost a client significant opportunities. The fix (basic alerts plus a designated owner) is simple in concept but not standardized. A monitoring layer purpose-built for automation workflows — checking output quality, not just uptime — would address a gap that every agency owner eventually encounters.
8. Takeaways¶
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Outcome-based pricing is emerging as consensus among AI automation practitioners. Multiple independent builders reported that switching from hourly billing to flat-fee packages and retainers improved both revenue and client quality. One client explicitly asked an automation builder to stop using Cursor because faster delivery meant fewer billable hours. (Why I stopped charging hourly)
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Agent memory architecture is converging on a dual-path pattern. At least three independent builders described splitting conversation history (chronological) from extracted knowledge (semantic retrieval), with aggressive deduplication as the critical quality factor. This convergence from independent practitioners suggests the pattern is battle-tested rather than theoretical. (How I split agent memory into two separate retrieval paths)
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The tool-call layer, not prompt injection, is where production agents are most exposed. A CrewAI agent leaked SSN and credit card data from Jira to Slack by following instructions correctly. A separate adversarial test showed full credential exfiltration with nothing between the agent and the API. Three separate projects (inline gateway, MCP Harbour, PIC-standard) are building solutions independently. (Your agents have write access to production APIs)
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The boring-automation thesis is gaining ground but faces skepticism. Builders who report real revenue are doing single-step tasks (email sorting, website reading, lead signals), not multi-agent orchestration. But commenters question whether any current AI agent business model is sustainable through the current transition period. (90% of AI agents being built right now will never make a dollar)
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Agent-to-agent communication is moving from frameworks to protocols. AMP (email-style messaging for agents) and Engram (semantic interoperability layer) represent a shift from building orchestration into application code toward standalone communication standards. AMP reports 17 agents across 5 teams in production. (We built a mail protocol for AI agents)
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Scoping MCP servers to skills rather than loading them globally can reduce token overhead by over 100x. One practitioner measured a drop from approximately 44,000 tokens to approximately 780 per message with identical security detection results. The SKILL.md spec works across five major coding tools. (Is anyone else bundling MCP servers inside skills instead of loading them globally?)
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Shadow sessions are more effective than discovery calls for automation scoping. An agency owner who cleared $20K in six months attributes success to spending half a day watching clients work instead of running standard intake processes. The coffee shop example — where a technically correct automation was abandoned because it required a new dashboard in a phone-and-paper operation — illustrates why observation beats questioning. (Chatting with an AI agency owner who has already cleared $20K+)